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(00:25:32) ^-: bbyak JonCruz: you'll say i'm picky, but... :)
(00:25:34) samuk: sorry bout that - gaim crashes
(00:25:36) aho: in the export dialog are buttons for drawing, page, selection
(00:25:36) ^-: ACSpike change the export area
(00:25:41) ^-: bbyak i'd really prefer them in xml
(00:25:51) ^-: bbyak same as descr
(00:26:01) aho: if you used a 12x12cm document... then document it would be :>
(00:26:13) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: heh.
(00:26:18) ^-: bbyak but, nevermind, it's ok too
(00:26:26) ^-: JonCruz That's the next round, I guess. Are we set up to use gettext on XML?
(00:26:36) ^-: bbyak dunno
(00:26:36) aho: other than that... select the disc... document settings->fit to selection
(00:26:40) ^-: ACSpike extensions dop
(00:26:45) ^-: JonCruz I put things in that way for the moment so that the internationalization would work.
(00:26:58) ^-: ACSpike -p
(00:27:31) ^-: bbyak also, suppose i want to have a spinbutton with such a nice menu of values somewhere else
(00:27:34) ^-: bbyak not in toolbar
(00:27:37) ^-: bbyak what do i do?
(00:27:46) ^-: JonCruz samuk: AHA! you have a lot of placed images
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(00:28:01) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: well....
(00:28:12) samuk: could you explain this a little more please aho? I still dont get it "if you used a 12x12cm document... then document it would be :>"
(00:28:27) samuk: is that bab JonCruz ?
(00:28:32) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: depends on your precise needs. The main thing is to have one base GtkAdjustment that is the source "model" for everything. You can have different actions wired to the same one
(00:28:35) samuk: bad^
(00:28:47) ^-: JonCruz samuk: maybe not "bad", but problematic
(00:29:09) aho: well... as i said in that export dialogs are buttons for setting the export area
(00:29:26) aho: "document" exports the document area (and nothing else) for example
(00:29:41) ^-: JonCruz samuk: Aha! so that then looks like a different end purpose
(00:30:08) ^-: JonCruz samuk: that is, you are using Inkscape to do layout, and not simply graphics authoring. Doing that natively in Scribus *might* be a nicer solution
(00:30:31) ^-: JonCruz samuk: since that app is more for layout and publishing
(00:30:58) samuk: damn, so i need to re-do it?
(00:32:17) ^-: JonCruz samuk: I don't think you *have* to, but that is always an option.
(00:32:34) ^-: JonCruz samuk: did you try selecting your main background rectangle/object before doing an export?
(00:32:37) ^-: bbyak JonCruz: so can we already remove the options.stocktoolbars and the else branch?
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(00:32:56) aho: samuk, naah :)
(00:33:02) ^-: ACSpike are we fully stock?
(00:33:09) ^-: JonCruz samuk: or selecting the "Page" button on the export dialog? That's probably better
(00:33:21) aho: select the drawing... go to the document setting dialog (top/right)... and hit the fit to selection or so button
(00:33:29) ^-: ACSpike or drawing
(00:33:50) aho: or just use the "drawing" button in the export dialog
(00:34:10) aho: and export that at 1417x1417 pixels
(00:34:16) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: I think so. unless you know of something else major
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(00:34:48) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: I'm mainly deferring to you on that call. You know when it's "good enough" :-)
(00:35:33) ^-: JonCruz I think the tooltips were a last, major item.
(00:35:37) ^-: bbyak ok i'll do it now and fill in the values
(00:35:55) ^-: JonCruz but I do have one problem...
(00:35:56) ^-: JonCruz :-)
(00:36:09) ^-: JonCruz in my little test app, the "2 makes 0 disappear" bug wasn't happening.
(00:38:46) ^-: JonCruz but if I use the spinbutton arrows I can get it when used in Inkscape
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(00:41:19) samuk: aho that is getting better, i still only get the bottom leftt of the imageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
(00:41:38) aho: well, feel free to upload the svg if you want me to take a look
(00:41:58) ^-: ACSpike perhaps select all you want and use the selection button
(00:42:27) samuk: thanks http://wirelessimage5.pbwiki.com/f/samdebian1.svg
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(00:43:58) ^-: bbyak JonCruz: why all your changed2 callbacks have defocusing commented out?
(00:43:58) ^-: bbyak does this happen automatically elsewhere?
(00:44:09) aho: samuk, lacks all those images :)
(00:45:41) aho: exporting page yielded the expected result tho
(00:49:22) samuk: which tab/ sizes did you use?
(00:50:16) aho: page
(00:50:26) aho: changed width (and height) to 1417
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(00:51:51) aho: the "using opensource blabla" text at the bottom isn't centered btw... use the align/distribute dialog to center it (relative to: page)
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(00:52:18) aho: same goes for the image at the very top
(00:54:39) samuk: this is what i get http://wirelessimage5.pbwiki.com/f/debian1.png
(00:55:04) samuk: getting there..
(00:55:16) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: oh yes. That was from copy-n-paste elsewhere. The widgets themselves get created to be that way, so we don't need to tack it on after the fact
(00:55:40) ^-: ACSpike samuk: ew, your images look not high enough quality
(00:55:59) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: when I go on my cleanup pass of the toolbar code those will go away
(00:56:03) samuk: :(
(00:56:20) ^-: bbyak i'll remove them now then
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(00:56:38) ^-: ACSpike samuk: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Debian-logo.svg look for svgs
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(00:56:48) samuk: I thought svg just scaled?
(00:56:58) ^-: ACSpike well svg does
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(00:57:03) ^-: ACSpike but you used bitmaps
(00:57:15) ^-: ACSpike bitmaps don't magically become vector in svg
(00:57:17) ^-: JonCruz samuk: svg does... but any bitmapimages you put in are bitmap pixels and not vector line descriptions
(00:57:40) samuk: whoops thought i had used svg's my bad
(00:58:22) aho: i could upload the thing i exported... but it's covered with "linked image not found" placeholders :>
(00:58:45) aho: which version of inkscape are you using?
(00:59:01) aho: inkscape:version="0.44.1"
(00:59:08) aho: ah ok... well, 0.45.1 is out
(00:59:24) samuk: 0.44.1
(01:00:05) aho: dunno if its an issue with that version
(01:00:15) aho: never had export problems with that one
(01:01:47) aho: you did click on "export area->page" tho, right?
(01:02:10) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: so... are we looking good for switching the next toolbar over to stock widgets?
(01:03:02) aho: export area... x0/y0=0.000, x1/y1=1756.250, width/height=1756.250... bitmap size... width/height=1417
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(01:04:20) ^-: bbyak yes, after you fix the disappearing values bug :)
(01:05:27) ***aho pokes samuk
(01:05:32) ^-: JonCruz awwwwww
(01:05:38) samuk: aho
(01:05:41) ^-: JonCruz isn't that one tiny and reproduceable enough to wait???
(01:05:43) ^-: JonCruz :-)
(01:05:48) samuk: sorry i was doing it wrong
(01:05:55) aho: ok :)
(01:06:15) aho: but be sure to center those two thingies properbly
(01:06:16) ^-: bbyak it is, but it's so tiny that we can forget about it :)
(01:06:21) ^-: bbyak so it's better to fix it now :)
(01:06:26) ^-: JonCruz drat
(01:06:28) ^-: JonCruz got me again
(01:06:33) samuk: so i now have a png :)
(01:06:49) samuk: can i turn that into a .PDF?
(01:07:11) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: (the only annoyance there is that I don't have it manifesting in the test framework program, so I can't fix it *quite* so quickly)
(01:07:22) samuk: how do i do the centre thing? how do i open the dialogue?
(01:07:39) aho: top tool bar... 3rd icon from the right
(01:07:56) aho: select the element you want to center... relative to: page... then press the horizontal center button
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(01:08:45) ^-: bbyak does your test program have both presets and current-plus-minus-increment values?
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(01:09:26) aho: btw you can autotrace the red swirly thing at the bottom.. path->trace bitmap. autotracing should work very well for that one
(01:13:20) samuk: aho i can't find that dialogue - i think my version may be too old
(01:14:03) aho: try... object->align and distribute then
(01:14:23) aho: that dialog isnt that old... but i dont know how long that icon has been there :>
(01:15:23) aho: does it need to be a pdf?
(01:15:35) aho: converting that to pdf would only bloat it up :)
(01:15:37) samuk: that's what the printer asked for
(01:15:43) samuk: or jpeg
(01:15:58) samuk: i could send both
(01:16:25) aho: ye some printer dudes dont to png... dunno why
(01:16:32) aho: *do
(01:16:49) aho: i would ramp it up to 600 dpi then and use jpeg
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(01:18:07) aho: 2835x2835 pixels then :>
(01:18:50) aho: the jpeg artefacts shouldnt be visible at that res
(01:23:33) samuk: how do i select jpeg?
(01:24:06) aho: eh... well, export as png... and then use whatever you like to convert it to jpeg
(01:24:14) aho: eg with imagemagick
(01:24:20) aho: convert foo.png foo.jpeg
(01:24:31) aho: (dunno how to set the quallity with that one tho) :>
(01:24:40) aho: well, or use gimp to convert it ;)
(01:24:54) samuk: ok
(01:25:31) samuk: so 600 dpi in the bitmap section and 2835x2835 at the top?
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(01:26:34) aho: export page (again)... and set the bitmap width/height to 2835
(01:27:02) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: yes. I'm thinking the difference is in the helper function in toolbar.cpp
(01:27:30) aho: (2835x2835 pixels for 12x12 cm = 600dpi)
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(01:32:47) ^-: kees keescook: ping
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(01:33:08) keescook: cool notify script...
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(01:43:42) samuk: i cant belive i still can't get this right :(
(01:45:01) aho: me neither :)
(01:46:21) samuk: the bitmap width and height seem to be linked
(01:46:32) ^-: JonCruz square pixels
(01:46:36) samuk: i cant change one without changing the other
(01:46:43) ^-: JonCruz square pixels
(01:47:00) ^-: JonCruz what is your document set to as far as its size goes?
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(01:47:52) ^-: bbyak JonCruz: found another bug
(01:48:45) ^-: bbyak please svn update and recompile
(01:51:05) ^-: JonCruz (waiting on svn)
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(01:58:57) ^-: JonCruz diff'ing now. a little slower doing VNC to this laptop with a smaller screen
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(01:59:44) ^-: ACSpike how can one blur the edges of a clipped object?
(02:00:45) ^-: bbyak group it and blur the group
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(02:02:45) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: ok. so what's the issue?
(02:02:57) ^-: JonCruz (aside from those parallel arrays looking a bit fragile)
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(02:04:23) ^-: bbyak right-click thinning
(02:04:24) ^-: bbyak set to 1
(02:04:30) ^-: bbyak then set it to 0.1
(02:04:42) ^-: bbyak see three adjacent items with the same comments
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(02:06:00) samuk: i'm still stuck, is there any chance that if i uploaded the images someone could take a look?
(02:06:04) theverant: I just want to thank any devs who are here for a great piece of software. I am always floored by the quality that open source projects achieve.
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(02:11:18) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: thanks. got it.
(02:11:27) ^-: innovati mmm back now
(02:11:30) ^-: JonCruz bbyak: I think it's the same general float-rounding issue
(02:19:09) ^-: * mental has become available
(02:19:53) ^-: innovati what do you fellas do when a girl stands you up for a date?
(02:22:14) ^-: mental well, I'd probably reserve judgement until I was sure she wasn't e.g. in a traffic accident or something
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(02:22:46) ^-: innovati so wait till tomorrow before passing any judgement or doing anything stupid then?
(02:23:01) ^-: mental yeah.
(02:23:06) aho: depends which role you want to pick :>
(02:23:08) LifeIsPain: except for buying icecream, that isn't stupid, just a good excuse
(02:23:57) ^-: mental is this a first date?
(02:23:58) ^-: * ACSpike has become available
(02:25:57) ^-: mental hi Aaron
(02:27:41) ^-: mental innovati: if you really don't know anything yet, it might not hurt to leave a message something to let her know you're not still waiting, and you hope she's okay
(02:28:00) ^-: mental innovati: at that point the ball's in her court to call you back or not
(02:28:27) ^-: innovati mental yes, first date but not firs ttime I've met her
(02:28:32) ^-: ACSpike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Audacity.png vs http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/audacity.svg
(02:29:03) ^-: ACSpike ooo, yeah, "I hope you're ok." that's a great guilt trip :-)
(02:29:42) ^-: innovati do I wanna guilt trip her?
(02:29:52) ^-: ACSpike I'm kidding
(02:29:55) ^-: mental no, you're just being courteous
(02:30:07) ^-: mental she'll only guilt trip if she has something to feel guilty about :)
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